John T. Hansen

I just found your perfect popup script today. AWESOME, btw! I just have one
little question/comment/observation. or something.

I was able to integrate your script into my php image gallery. I noticed
that when I have an image larger than my screen's resolution (1280 x 1024),
the image is a little *larger* than fullscreen in FireFox (1.0.7) and just a
little *smaller* than fullscreen in MSIE (6.0.2900). I am running XP Pro on
my computer. Here's a URL to my gallery:
[URL]

And here's a specific page with the problem I'm encountering.
[URL]

The offset isn't too bad. It's just within my acceptable range where, if
there is no solution, it wouldn't bother me too much. I was just wondering
if there may be some calculation that may be slightly off. I don't know.
Either way, great script. Very easy to follow. Thanks!

* John

Thanks for the quick response. I updated the script like you said and it
looks exactly the same in both browsers. Oh well, I'll tinker with it a
little bit to see if I can fix it. Thanks!

And for the record - I ticked the box because I *did* read everything...
which by the way, I've never seen someone have so many demands before
someone qualifies for support. But hey, it's your script. Your site, your
rules, right? Keep that in mind when you read on...

Anyway, I don't check the script Opera because I don't have Opera. I don't
have Opera because no one surfing my site uses it. I've faithfully tracked
my web site stats since the site opened in 1997. MSIE consistently wins the
browser war with 85%+ every month. I'm a Firefox user, but I'm part of the
small 8% of FireFox users on my site. There are other browsers in the list,
but Opera consistently has a big fat ZERO next to its name. So why code for
a browser to which no one uses? Same reason you don't open a restaurant that
only serves fried cat intestines. Don't do it if there's no demand for it.

But I'll keep watching the stats. Once I see the stats reflecting Opera use,
I'll consider downloading it and testing my site in it. But for now people
are just *asking* about Opera support on my forum, and not actually
*surfing* with it.

Thanks again...

-- John --

Tarquin,

>>You just asked me to go there and help you with something. Guess what I
>>use.

	With all do respect, what you use is irrelevant because I'm not
coding my site for you. I'm coding for *my* viewers. If you were regular
visitor to my site and you used Opera, then we'd have something to talk
about. But I know you *aren't* a regular visitor because of my "OPERA =
ZERO" stats. I don't see how your browser preference will solve my problem.
If I'm having a problem with Browser A and Browser B, what good would it be
to test it in Browser C??? If there is a problem in Browser C, and that
problem gets resolved, the problem is still going to be there in Browsers A
& B.

For example, let's say your roof was leaking and you called a contractor
over to your house to fix it. When the contractor gets there he says,
"Hmmmm... I can fix that, but let me take your car out for a spin first to
make sure there's nothing wrong with it." See? What does one have to do with
the other? Find all the things wrong with that car you want, that roof is
still going to be leaking when the car's done.

[Ed. what an utterly dumb, stupid and irrelevant analogy - oh well]

>>However, it is hardly surprising that you don't get many visitors using 
>>it if you don't make sure your site works in it right?  :) 

	I've got a forum. All they gotta do is ask or suggest it. If enough
people want it, they'll get it. It's that simple.

>>ok, so I know that Opera does not have such a big user base in USA as in 
>>Europe (in Poland, for example, it is over 7%), but since it has now 
>>gone free, it is likely to get a higher user base, and I guess you would 
>>want to be prepared for the future.

	I will definitely keep my eye on it. We just started testing our
site in Safari because of its recent rise (albeit very small) in popularity.
We've got less than 2% of our guests use Safari, but that's 2% I wouldn't
normally have if I didn't code for them. Once I see my Opera stats equaling
anything more than ZERO, then I'll start coding for it.

>>>> So why code for a browser to which no one uses?
>
>>Because people do use it.

	I don't deny people use it, but those people aren't visiting my
site. I thought it was implied that I was speaking of my site's visitors
when I said "no one" uses it.

>>I use it. It's such a funny thing:
>>"please help me make my site work for me. I don't care if it doesn't 
>>work for you." Why would people expect me to help them when they have 
>>that attitude? It is very insulting to me. Try seeing it from the other 
>>side  :) 

	Well, it shouldn't be insulting to you. The bulk of my users are
using FireFox and MSIE. That's who I code for. Them. My site's visitors. Not
you. Yes, you created the script but what difference does it make what
browser you use. I said I'm having the problem in FireFox and MSIE. That's
where the problem is. Bringing another browser into the mix is completely
irrelevant.

>>Good to hear you got it working nicely.

	I looked back at my message and I guess I didn't make this clear.
What I meant by "it looks exactly the same in both browsers" is that it
looks exactly what they looked like before. No changes to either browser. I
know I made it sound like the issue was fixed. I apologize for that.


-- John

Tarquin,

>>The more browsers you test in, the less I have to test in. It helps me
>>solve the problem faster without taking too much of my time. In general,
>>Opera's response is the most telling for me, so it is the most beneficial.

	Fair enough. I downloaded Opera last night and the picture popup
looks way worse in this browser than any other. On my screen, the entire "X"
button in XP is off screen on a full screen image. Also, the entire window
isn't going fullscreen, it's only going as big as the Opera web area,
leaving the Opera title bar, the Opera toolbar, and the Opera tab bar
exposed. I'd be happy to send you a print screen of this. I think you
mentioned you already tested it in Opera, so you probably know exactly what
I'm talking about. I hope that now that you know what it's doing in Opera,
this helps you solve the problem I'm having in MSIE and FireFox.


>>Anyway, sending these emails is now taking up far more of my time than I 
>>want to devote to this non-issue, so please restrict further 
>>communication to help requests. Until then, enjoy the scripts.

	I appreciate the help, but no one is making you hit that "reply"
button. And it's not a "non-issue" because I'm still having trouble with the
script. If you'd stop trying to sell me on the Opera browser, you might
realize this. I downloaded Opera and I'm keeping it installed. That should
make you happy, so maybe now we can focus on the faults of this script, eh?

Tarquin,
	Thanks for the suggestions. I made the necessary changes to the
script, but now the images load in a new tab (Opera, FireFox) or similar to
the "_self" command MSIE. I re-uploaded it back to my original version (the
version before I started toying with it today).

	Before I decided on using 4images for my site's image gallery, I
went with [brand]. When I did that, I customized it by adding someone else's
popup script (this was a few months ago). Anyway, I tried to see what works
about that script's fullscreen popup and apply it to your script. I couldn't
quite figure it out. I uploaded a sample gallery if you want to check it
out.

[URL]

	All of the images are various sizes, smaller than 800x600. The file
"muppets_015" is the only one that is super-sized (2048x1536). In MSIE and
Firefox, the windows pop-up to the correct screen resolution, with no
bleeding off-screen. In Opera, it still cuts some off at the bottom of the
fullscreen image, but at least it's the correct width from left to right. 

	I'm not sure if there's something in the [brand] script that would be
the missing piece of the puzzle to all of this. I'd still rather use your
script since it starts with a certain size and resizes the browser *UP*
rather than the [brand] script where it starts fullscreen, then resizes the
browser *DOWN*.

I can send you the javascript, but I think you can get to everything just by
viewing the source.

-- John